this book "pay attention to the flock" is it the book that only elders get to have?? Im curious because once in a JC meeting an elders asked me if I had "fondled" her breasts or "carressed" her breats. I asked him "whats the difference and he said "I cant answer that for you." Is there something in that book that makes a distinction between "fondling" and "carressing"?? I must know!! Its a little comical I must admit LOL!
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The practice of "Shepherding Calls" (attention ex-elders)
by Lady Zombie inthe practice of "shepherding calls" has always been somewhat of a mystery to me.. growing up, a shepherding call was for jws who were doing something that a few/some/most (didn't matter which) found stumbling or suspicious.
for instance, i remember my folks gossiping to each other about a jw couple who had been sloughing off the meetings in order to go dancing.
one of the congregation members (who were absent themselves on a particular night) saw them going into a dance club on a meeting night and promptly ran to an elder.
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Critical Reading
by megs inone of the most important things i learned in university was critical reading... when you read something, look at who's writing it, are they credible, do they have a known bias?
if they are quoting, is the quote taken in context?
the wts seem to be masters at trying to curtail critical thinking because then their bias, credibility and context would be shot.!
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When I fist started volunteering in my community, my family who are witnesses were puzzled as why I would spend time doing that instead of "the most important work on earth". I simply told them that the bible says "help the poor". The society is good at diversions and relieving its memebers of any duty to help the poor or support those in need in their communitites. It didnt take long for me to find an example of this. In the book "come be my follower" page 6,7 it describes the young rich man who asked Jesus "what must I do to inherit everlasting life..." this is paragraph 5 word for word:
He perceived a spiritual problem in this ruler - a serious one. Hence, Jesus said: "One thing is missing about you."
What was that one thing? Jesus said "Go, sell what things you have and give to the poor." Did Jesus mean that a
person must be penniless in order to serve God? No.*
The footnote goes on to explain how christians get to keep all their wealth by not taking Jesus words here literally. In the next paragraph it goes on to focus entirely on the next words Jesus spoke which are "and come, be my follower". In all of this, there is absolutely no mention of the "and give to the poor" part, except of course in the footnote. The society here completely ignores what Jesus is saying about giving and in the next paragraph says:
"The 'one thing' missing, then, was wholehearted, self-sacrificing love for Jesus and Jehovah.
Never mind that Jesus said that God was not interested in our lame sacrifices but rather desired that we instead show mercy to one another.
That last sentence should instead read something like this:
"The 'one thing' missing, then, was wholehearted (trigger word), self-sacrificing love for the Watchtower Bible and Tract Society.
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JWD addict anonymous :)
by asilentone insince i joined jwd in march, i have been putting things off that i am supposed to do because i am addicted to jwd!.
1. clean the toilets!.
2. i need to do the dishes!.
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Oh, thanks for reminding me I left a load in the wash since tuesday and forgot to put it in the dryer. Its probably dry by now anyway!
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my story while listening to "the great gig in the sky" by Pink Floyd
by paranoid android inlooking back i realize that the way it was handled was probably the best of my experiences with committee meetings.
at this committee meeting, they asked me if i was disfellowshipped 3 months ago, i couldnt believe that!
" i asked him why the announcement hadnt been made and he said he didnt know.
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thank you all for a warm welcome! I really appreciate it. It has been an emotional last couple of years for me and now Im finding some purpose in my misery.
to answer some questions,
yes, I am a big radiohead fan!
and, Im going to school full time at night working full time during the day to be an aviation mechanic and hopefully one day a private pilot.
I remember the day I told myself " you dont have to go to those meetings ever again!" It was literally a moment and a turning point, one of many.
Im doing very well in school. Im soaking up information partly because its all so new to me and Im not used to putting a priority on things that seemed useless when I was brainwashed. It felt good to tell myself that its okay to go to school full time, to better myself and do something good for, thats right, my future grandkids! witnesses dont think about the future that way. I certainly never did. I only used to think that the end was near, a few years away perhaps. now Im living in today, and making choices that will affect the future. I care about this planet and want to help save it. I care about the leadership in this country. I care about people in other countries not as lucky as we are, thats right THE GOD OF GOOD LUCK. And it feels good to say "bless you" when someone sneezes.
good day!
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Plastic Apostate on YouTube-Give the Guy Some Love
by jamiebowers inhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m8sedntad50.
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thank you all very much! Its nice to be appreciated, even if I am just a computer animation!
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my story while listening to "the great gig in the sky" by Pink Floyd
by paranoid android inlooking back i realize that the way it was handled was probably the best of my experiences with committee meetings.
at this committee meeting, they asked me if i was disfellowshipped 3 months ago, i couldnt believe that!
" i asked him why the announcement hadnt been made and he said he didnt know.
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The elders looked at one another asking "do you have his letter?", the other said "No, I gave it to you!". It was obvious to me that my case was of little importance to them. My letter of reinstatement had been lost, kinda like my faith in them was. This was my second letter, the first was declined because I guess 6 months of being a good boy wasnt long enough. This was my second time being disfellowshipped, and my final meeting with a committee of any type, as I promised myself that I would never go to the elders again for anything. My first time being disfellowshipped was back in 92'. My father was dying and from his death bed he called the PO (presiding overseer) to ask if there was any way my reinstatement could happen before he died. The PO told him that one of the elders on the committee was on vacation and that such matters had to be handled on "Jehovahs timetable". My father died at home and only my brother had the kindness to tell me that I had every right to be present. A month later I was reinstated due to the brother returning from his vacation.
As a child, I remember in kindergarten my classmates gave me a birthday party and they made me a paper hat to wear. I was so proud! When I got home, my mom was not proud. I was instructed to trash my paper crown. All thru elementary school I sat while my fellow students stood up for the pledge. Many times my teacher would say "stand up boy! dont you have respect! stand up!". When I got into high school, it was then "okay" to stand out of respect, as long as you didnt put your hand over your heart. As all of you know, even coloring a turkey at thanksgiving was a major sin as kids. Looking back at my childhood its funny how big these trivial things seemed at the time. I was afraid of being disobedient for fear of being destroyed at armaggedon. Werent we all? I was a very shy child. I didnt speak up for myself very much. I often felt guilty over not using "every opportunity to give a witness" at school. The society sets the bar so high that no one can actually reach it, keeping all of its followers in constant motion, constantly asking themselves "am I doing all I can?". My first committee meeting was when I was 14. Me and a witness friend got caught trying to steal beer by swapping out bud cans into a coke carton, pretty smart right! The elders were shocked and showed their disappointment, yet little did I know that they couldnt touch me because I hadnt been babtized yet. Looking back I realize that the way it was handled was probably the best of my experiences with committee meetings. There was no public humiliation, no shunning, only stern counsel, the law punished me, not the elders. Again, that was only because I wasnt babtized.
In my late teens I moved out from home to live in the big city. I moved in with a single brother who when quickly realizing that I hadnt yet been babtized, locked me down as his bible study. I had soon made friends at the hall and met a girl I liked a lot. This was enough incentive to take the plunge. I was babtized in 87', and married in 89'. Thus my second committee meeting. It seems that our loose conduct needed to be delt with of course our conscience made us go to the elders. We were privately reprooved. I remember the odd questions being asked such as "was there a mutual masturbating?" Still not sure what that was all about but I would learn later that these committee meetings did not have the individuals interest's at heart.
In 1990 we moved to a southern state and I soon began working with a staunch southern babtist. We had many discussions but for the first time in my life, my faith was being challenged and it was stuff I had never heard before. For instance he used the word "grace" and I had no idea what he was talking about. To me, that was the language of christendom, babylon the great. He often saw me reading a watchtower and would say to me "read your bible." I couldnt even process that information, I was reading the bible! Or so I thought. I mean how could you possibly read just the bible without a guide right? Thats all the watchtower was, just a guide. It took me years to realize that I viewed the watchtower as more than just a bible aid. It might as well had been the bible itself because of how much faith I put in its words. He told me to look at certain older publications and that the society had often changed position on many doctrines such as the "worship of Jesus" and such. So I did and I was surprised at what I found. I asked an elder about an older publication that said that we "worship Jesus" and he said it was "relative" worship. That was good enough for me! I couldnt possibly imagine that this religion wasnt the truth. Looking back, I realized that that man challenging my beliefs was not the real challenge at all. I hated him for the things he said about the "truth". I later pondered why I felt this way about another human being? Was it just me? Or was I groomed to think this way about people of other faiths?
1995 was a turning point. That year at the summer convention it was stated in a "questions from readers" type part that the generation of 1914 wasnt a literal generatoin. I couldnt beleive my ears! The way it was presented was as if the old understanding never existed! I instantly felt inner conflict. This new understanding was to be accepted immediately by all members. I was amazed at the way it was just sort of snuck in there, a later watchtower article would further explain this "new light". But the damage had been done. I realized that my faith in the organization was just that, faith in an earthly, man made organization. Not faith in God.
As the years went by, I slowly became more of an independant thinker and sharpened my critical thinking skills. Then in 97' I hit a brick wall, divorce came upon me without warning. It was the worst time of my life. My wife left me, and was promptly disfellowshipped. Long story short, her psychiatrist changed her meds and she went haywire. The disfellowshipping was swift and the congregation resumed its pursuit of "kingdom interests" as if nothing happened. I felt so alone. I soon began to party a lot folks! For the next several years, I was in and out of many committee meetings, privately reproved, publicly reproved and disfellowshipped in 05'. I had become an alcoholic and was disfellowshipped. I was told to perhaps go to AA meetings. I wondered why the elders couldnt help me. Why wasnt there an AA at the kingdom hall? Why would I, a lost sheep have to go out into "satans world" to get the help I needed to stop drinking? This brings me to the beginning of this story. I did go to AA and found good people there. I got sober. I wrote my letter of reinstatement which was rejected. I decided to switch congregations. This was not easy, going to a new hall as a disfellowshipped person and telling an elder my situation, but I felt it was the only way that I would be reinstated sooner. The elders at the other hall were so incompetent it was remarkable. 6 months later I wrote my secong letter and of course, weeks went by before they even acknowledged that they read it. To my surprise, the elders at the other hall wanted to meet with me. But I knew they had to reinstate me because of the good recommendation they recieved from my new hall. At this point, it was all about just getting reinstated so I could talk to my family again, I promised myself this was the last time I would have any dealings with the elders. At this committee meeting, they asked me if I was disfellowshipped 3 months ago, I couldnt believe that! I reminded them that it was a year ago. Thats when they asked one another who had the letter! It was lost. They had no choice but to reinstate.
Two weeks later some of my family came to the hall to hear the announcement. They failed to make the announcement after the ministry school, so of course my heart was about to explode when I got up and tapped an elder on the shoulder and said "I need to talk to you." I asked him why the announcement hadnt been made and he said he didnt know. He said that since I was already reinstated, I could technically talk to everyone after the meeting. I told him how awkward that would be! So finally, after the last song and just before the final prayer, it was announced.
My experiences told here only scratch the surface. I have since stopped attending all meetings and I havent been in service since 04'. Im beginning to realize that it desnt matter if I am now disfellowshipped because of my defiance. I would consider it a badge of honor. My family doesnt want much to do with me anyhow because I dont go in service and I choose to volunteer in my community.
I still believe in God and his son Jesus. I try to love thy neighbor and avoid being judgmental, but Jehovah's Witnesses put the "mental" in judgemental dont they!
I have read both of Ray Franz's books and just couldnt put them down! My life is in transition right now, I dont have any friends but at the age of 39 Ive gone back to school to learn a trade and am making friends there. And now I have friends here. I know this journey is long and hard, but Ive learned to live in the moment, to live in today. Thank you all for reading and listening. I wish you peace and happiness.